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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188644065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188644065">(Feb 20 2020 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>So <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> and I were thinking it'd be good to discuss a bit in the runup to the meeting for <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247">compiler-team#247</a> -- scheduled for Feb 28. I'm mainly creating the Zulip topic at this second.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188644164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188644164">(Feb 20 2020 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>My expectation here is that the goal should be to move some of what we now call the <em>pre-triage</em> process into a kind of working group -- that is, the work of prioritizing, tracking, and so forth. The output of this group would be a "triage report" that guides the triage meeting, indicating backports that have to be reviewed, critical priority issues that seems to be stalled, and other things that merit focused eyeballs of the entire team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188644181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188644181">(Feb 20 2020 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think some interesting questions are how best to engage with the wg-triage effort -- is this the same thing? is it distinct? overlapping?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188644191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188644191">(Feb 20 2020 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>and how best to create guidelines etc that allow us to pull in contributors and distribute the work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188644245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188644245">(Feb 20 2020 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> has indicated that e.g. folks in #wg-triage don't necessarily have the context to make some of these calls, which makes sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/188652070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#188652070">(Feb 20 2020 at 16:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like the idea of a seperate working group. It could be a mix of some of other compiler folk and some people who have some knowledge of the compiler/team structure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189214817" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189214817">(Feb 27 2020 at 13:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>So we haven't really had a lot of discussion here in run-up to meeting tomorrow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189214822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189214822">(Feb 27 2020 at 13:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm looking back over <a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?edit" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?edit">the hackmd</a> that I prepared</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189214858" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189214858">(Feb 27 2020 at 13:49)</a>:</h4>
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<p>How can we characterize "catastrophic" bugs?<br>
    * e.g., regressions <br>
    * what about impact on crates, can we characterize how much that matters?<br>
    * but what about stable-to-stable regressions, those too?<br>
    * All ICEs is probably too broad, but perhaps some subset of ICEs qualifies?</p>
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<p>What is the role of the P-medium, P-high, etc labels?</p>
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<li>Should we have a standard way to "delegate" bugs to a working group? (like the async-await triage)</li>
<li>What parts of triage can be delegated to a working group, rather than using the "whole team meeting"?</li>
<li>Are there other sorts of triage beyond "preventing catastrophic bugs" we should consider, perhaps through the WG at a different cadence. e.g., <br>
    * tracking "future compatibility warnings" and ensuring we move those through the process<br>
    * periodic "bug scrubs" or reviewing the set of random, medium priority bugs and trying to close, delegate, take action, etc</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189215134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189215134">(Feb 27 2020 at 13:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we can start to answer some of these questions? I haven't seen anyone really arguing with the basic premise</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189215139" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189215139">(Feb 27 2020 at 13:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe we can sharpen the proposal a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189215625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189215625">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>how does this sound?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189215629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189215629">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
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<li>Create a "working group" for compiler team triage<ul>
<li>Inputs: the rust-lang repository =)</li>
<li>Output:<ul>
<li>pings to ICE-breaker groups where appropriate to improve issues</li>
<li>blog posts that call for help on sticky issues where appropriate<ul>
<li>a report of issues that require attention from the team<ul>
<li>basically, issues where somebody should drop what they are doing and fix it because it's that important</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216412">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds good to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216429">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing that I wasn't sure and kind of confuses me now meanwhile I read</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216434" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216434">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><code>Inputs: the rust-lang repository =)</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216459" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216459">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>what does that mean?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216479" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216479">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="http://github.com/rust-lang" target="_blank" title="http://github.com/rust-lang">github.com/rust-lang</a> or <a href="http://github.com/rust-lang/rust" target="_blank" title="http://github.com/rust-lang/rust">github.com/rust-lang/rust</a> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216502">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>given it says repository I'm inclined to rust-lang/rust but given it says rust-lang it made me think about the whole organization :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216559">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we are talking about rust-lang/rust but aren't there more things to check?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216564">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case I'd clarify a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216567">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216568">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I meant is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216585">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>the role of this group is to "monitor what is happening" -- but I think there's overlap here with the release team triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216589" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216589">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's probably a good idea to try and sharpen the inputs a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216609">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>for example, right now, I think that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> starts by surveying bugs tagged as <code>I-nominated</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216619">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>he doesn't look at <em>each new issue as it is filed</em>, that work is done more by release team triage folks afaik</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216690" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216690">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>so perhaps the inputs to this "compiler team triage" are more narrow -- we are looking specifically at bugs with certain labels</p>



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<p>I can confirm the "new bugs triaged by release team"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216719" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216719">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right. It’s the links on the agenda issue for the triage meeting</p>



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<p>Focusing first on unprioritized issues tagged as nominated or as regressions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216858" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216858">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>PS I'm editing the hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189216875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189216875">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>trying to make concrete some intuitions</p>



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<p>let me update that part though</p>



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<p>one thing I was looking at now is the "priority labels" and what they mean</p>



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<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?both#Severity-of-bugs" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?both#Severity-of-bugs">Severity of bugs section</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217160" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217160">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also edited the "inputs" etc to</p>
<div class="codehilite"><pre><span></span>But more narrowly, we propose

* Create a &quot;working group&quot; for compiler team triage
    * Inputs:
        * bugs nominated by the release team triage effort
    * Output:
        * pings to ICE-breaker groups where appropriate to improve issues
        * blog posts that call for help on sticky issues where appropriate
            * critical issues that are not &quot;on track&quot; to being fixed before they hit stable
                * this could be because nobody is looking at them
                * or because progress is too slow
            * issues that need discussion by team to resolve disagreements
</pre></div>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> are we using GH projects, milestones, etc these days?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217379">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>at some point we were using milestones I think to track 'things that should be fixed by release X'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217593">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>no, not really</p>



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<p>milestones are sort of used by Centril I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217607" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217607">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but they're pretty annoying to maintain</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217631">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(particularly with the short release cycles we have that aren't tied to issues being fixed)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217795">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217803" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217803">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not clear what they offer over dedicated labels, I suppose</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217863">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to write down criteria for "Critical" bugs (what we today call P-high, and maybe should just keep doing so)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189217895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189217895">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Critical bugs, at the broadest level, are those that will actively affect substantial portions of the ecosystem, harm production users, or existing users.</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218174" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218174">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but see end of doc for more notes)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218393" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218393">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't remember, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, you had a rather exhaustive write-up  before, right? did you try to write out conditions that make a bug "critical" etc?</p>



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<p>I don’t know where that write up would be, if it exists...</p>



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<p>(Memory is shot)</p>



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<p>My intuition had been: is this a bug that a user gets no useful immediate feedback as to its existence and/or how to work around it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218685">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>So eg: an ICE preceded by diagnostics that point out the problem that caused the ICE downstream is not P-high</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218823">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>But an ICE with no relevant diagnostic (and whose panic message doesn’t make it blisteringly obvious to an average user what is wrong) is P-high</p>



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<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view">https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view</a></p>



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<p>there is your document I think <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218849" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218849">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189218638" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189218638">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>My intuition had been: is this a bug that a user gets no useful immediate feedback as to its existence and/or how to work around it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes I tried to capture some of that</p>



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<blockquote>
<p>pnkfelix off-the-cuff proposal: Maybe instead of “P-high, P-medium, P-low”, we should directly encode the intended visit frequency for each bug. Hz-weekly, Hz-monthly, Hz-yearly… (and find some way to also slice up the sets that are visited, perhaps via modular arithmetic on issue#) so that we could make headway each week on a deterministcally-predictable subset of the Hz-monthly/Hz-yearly bugs)</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218877">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>ooh, I forgot about that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218878">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I love that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218886">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Likewise: incorrect codegen and compiler seg faults, link errors, all P-high</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218899">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's other good stuff in here too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218907" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218907">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., keeping up with future compatibility warnings and planned migrations</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218912">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that would be a prime thing for a working group to tackle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218936">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>some of the things in here we've made progress on, notably helping to do bisections (ICE-breaker group) etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189218942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189218942">(Feb 27 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I think we should probably do a kind of "periodic publicity blast" around that sort of thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189226995" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189226995">(Feb 27 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we’re trying to get through too many things in 1 hour to be honest.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189227038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189227038">(Feb 27 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>on one hand its necessary to keep up with anything, on the other hand, we hardly have time to talk about any one individual thing to completion, really.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189231685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189231685">(Feb 27 2020 at 16:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I only use milestones for relnoted PRs, to have a full list of PRs with changes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189231710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189231710">(Feb 27 2020 at 16:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>and those are used to e.g. write the blog post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189243020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189243020">(Feb 27 2020 at 18:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="123586">nagisa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189226995" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189226995">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I think we’re trying to get through too many things in 1 hour to be honest.</p>
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<p>you mean in the standard triage meeting, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189243101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189243101">(Feb 27 2020 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have the same fear about upcoming design meeting :) --</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189247785" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189247785">(Feb 27 2020 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>catching up with the messages here.. yeah the list shared by niko (1400 utc) looks good to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189260471" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189260471">(Feb 27 2020 at 21:43)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Perhaps even more worrying is that the vast vast majority of the bugs (1,365) are not prioritized at all.</p>
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<p>That <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AT-compiler+-label%3AP-medium+-label%3AP-low+-label%3AP-high+sort%3Acreated-asc" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AT-compiler+-label%3AP-medium+-label%3AP-low+-label%3AP-high+sort%3Acreated-asc">list</a> now has 2,213 open issues. That's more than 100 unprioritizd issues each month (since its been 8 months since I wrote that doc).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189260714" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189260714">(Feb 27 2020 at 21:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(though to be fair it would probably be good to filter out issues with tags like { C-enhancement, C-feature-request, C-cleanup, C-tracking-issue }, probably...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused%20and%20efficient%20triage%20compiler-team%23247/near/189282467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247.html#189282467">(Feb 28 2020 at 04:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189243020" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/focused.20and.20efficient.20triage.20compiler-team.23247/near/189243020">said</a>:</p>
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<p>you mean in the standard triage meeting, <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="123586">nagisa</span> ?</p>
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<p>yes.</p>



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